falco @falco

have any of you sold stuff on Amazon, using their fulfilled-by-Amazon option? How'd it go for you?

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

"Total Comp including equity" is an extremely SF way to talk about compensation.

Mostly it's a result of copying public companies where that equity can be immediately valuable.

Bob Elwell @robert.elwell

When I worked in SF I negotiated more salary for less equity every single time, never exercised, have zero regrets

Every extra dollar I would have had to pay in taxes for shares that went nowhere have been vesting in my own retirement funds that are actually diversified, imagine that

Ty Walker @walker.ty.a

Anyone at this AWS event in the Terminus 200 building?

geeksweep @geeksweep

Friday Flashback: (1985) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djV11Xbc914

interesting tidbit - this used a common technique in video called rotoscoping: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

Bob Elwell @robert.elwell

There's a rotoscoping studio in Austin, TX, and they did Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly

Zachary Sarver @zsarver

I like a lot of PKD, but I didn’t much care for a Scanner Darkly. The visuals of the movie were phenomenal, though

I wonder to what degree old-fashioned motion capture has displaced rotoscoping

Jonathan H. @jonathan.skelton

@jonathan.skelton has joined the channel

Jason Melton @jmelton

I am looking to host a very small website and I wanted to get some opinions: 1) Shared hosting vs VPS I am leaning more towards a VPS because I'll also be able to learn about doing back end work as well. What kind of makes me hesitant is that I don't know much about securing and administering a server. Is it worth taking the risk or would I be better of allowing someone else to handle the admin stuff? 2) (Since I am leaning towards a VPS currently) Does anyone know of any other places that I should investigate aside from Linode and Digital Ocean?

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

There is always the option of aws with a plain ec2 instance also

But I have always liked Digital Ocean

and they have great community docs for getting started with your first time setting something like that up

JR Rickerson @jrrickerson

@jmelton if you don't expect much traffic you could get away with probably a free or extremely cheap Heroku app too

Michael Langford @mj_langford

VPSes are a pain in the ass for sure, the types of troubles you have to monitor are hard to do efficnetly at scale

JR Rickerson @jrrickerson

gets you out of at least the ops part of managing it

and if it's like... literally a website (i.e. static, or static with a tiny bit of JS) you can even host it statically off like S3 directly I think

Michael Langford @mj_langford

Digital Ocean is good at setting them up, sure, but for what you're getting, heroku, aws lambda, or several other providers are going to be better "application platforms" to build off of

And be cheaper to boot

And comparatively, very little security monitoring needs to be done.

Jace Bennett @jace

+1 s3 and lambda for small stuff. Low ops load and basically free

or elastic beanstalk, heroku, et al

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

I get y’all want to simplify the maintenance of what he’s doing, but I think he was specifically wanting to use a VPS for learning purposes

Michael Langford @mj_langford

>Is it worth taking the risk or would I be better off allowing someone else to handle the admin stuff?

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

> I am leaning more towards a VPS because I’ll also be able to learn about doing back end work as well.

Jason Melton @jmelton

@jrrickerson I don't expect much traffic to come to the site. It is going to be an Anime style web-comic. I'm mainly helping someone get something out there to help with their self confidence.

JR Rickerson @jrrickerson

Do you know what like platform you're hosting it on? Is it Wordpress?

The times that Heroku can get a little more expensive is when you start adding a lot of dependencies and services (Postgres, Redis, memcached, etc) but there are free tiers for most of those that have fit some of my smaller clients just fine

supports Let's Encrypt too which is nice

Jason Melton @jmelton

This is going to be much more of a static site.

Michael Langford @mj_langford

If you want a pretty static site for something like this, approaches like this can get their very well: https://www.gatsbyjs.org/docs/deploying-to-s3-cloudfront/

Jason Melton @jmelton

I do want to be able to implement back end stuff. And since the server should get hammered too much. I ought to be able to run that stuff while also running API experiments etc.

JR Rickerson @jrrickerson

yeah the only catch with S3 is you're gonna be completely limited to a static site. No PHP, Python, Ruby, or any of that

Michael Langford @mj_langford

A VPS is not a great fit for a static site: you get none of the load protection, have very little use for the flexibility, and have relatively higher costs and poor recovery stories

JR Rickerson @jrrickerson

it depends on the goal I guess

Michael Langford @mj_langford

A VPS to update a static site on some schedule, etc, that can be something to talk about

Jason Melton @jmelton

Mayhaps best to separate the two.

Michael Langford @mj_langford

The recovery story is one of the one that kills for stuff like this. "oh, it's only $72 a year for DO and a VPS" turns into "my hacked webserver has broken every link to my comic and I can't figure out how to put them back".

I think building the services for learning purposes are great, but it's painful to have something to rely on your work and have a "free as in baby" problem re: stewardship

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

I've been meaning to move my static sites off of VPSes and onto netlify. Haven't yet, because lazy.

Michael Langford @mj_langford

That's an interesting offering'

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

I’m trying to figure out how I can complicate this process by advocating for terraform

Jason Melton @jmelton

I'm going to have to look more into netlify.

I like the idea of going the S3 route.

I need to spend some time learning AWS as well.

Is there a comparable version for doing back end stuff? If you need something specific, I've been having to learn some ASP.NET for work so something that would work well with that.

Jace Bennett @jace

to run backend code your options are shared hosting + php, heroku and its ilk (on the backend platforms they support), or a bare vps

Jace Bennett @jace

in order of least management to most

aws lambda lets you write backend operations in a more constrained environment, but for the benefit of very little management or cost

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

elastic beanstalk supports .net also

That’s a little bit in the middle of managing a vps compared to something like heroku

Jace Bennett @jace

also, i'm going to read what @mj_langford just posted because thats news to me

Michael Langford @mj_langford

Lambda is easy

"easy"

AWS Web Gateway is literally "AWS Web Gateway from one part of hell to another" at times.

Jason Melton @jmelton

Lots of good information! Thanks for helping out a newbie.

Michael Langford @mj_langford

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/developer/aws-serverless-applications-in-visual-studio/ is the other key one to check out if you're going that route

Best of luck!