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Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

With Net Neutrality dead I was thinking about the future of the internet and ended up with a question specific about Georgia/Atlanta.

Does anyone know if there has ever been attempted municipal isps around here?

If so did they try and fail, blocked by the big boys, or what happened?

Also does everything think we’ll be seeing a rise in people trying to start them around the country once the large isps start doing crazy restrictions of content?

Sam Lawrence @samelawrence

there is already a movement for this sort of thing. Private ISP is operating in Brookyn IIRC.

ATL will be hard bc ATT is here.

But, by all means, worth a shot. It's all technically legal, but you'll likely have to do it wirelessly.

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

Yeah, I have a lot of questions around it

Is the wired infrastrure state owned, or do you have to go through whoever laid it (eg. att, comcast, etc) to get access to it

What kinda crazy long drawn process would that look like trying to get access to it

Sam Lawrence @samelawrence

Judging from Google's lack of success with Fiber in the ATL market, it's a nightmare.

Joe Moore @joe559

I wouldn’t call what Google did a lack of success

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

I think to add a wire to a telephone pole, you need approval of every other carrier currently on that pole

Joe Moore @joe559

Google’s “investment” into fiber in ATL is what has directly caused AT&T and Comcast to step up their game in the ’net market.

And Google’s business model is not about home internet service

They make money on ads

The faster people surf, the more ads are shown, the more money Google makes

They can throw money away in markets to spur competition to step up and fill a needed gap that, in the end, benefits Google directly

Sam Lawrence @samelawrence

It's a shame Google had to force ATT's hand. A lot of the fiber in ATL was laid years ago and it's been dark while ATT claims that "infastructure" is too expensive. A lot of that fiber was also co-funded with tax money.

See also: tax breaks that don't do anything for employees or individuals.

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

AT&T did have to lay new fiber in our neighborhood, but we have it now and it's awesome.

Joe Moore @joe559

re: muni internet, it’s incredibly tempting to buy some cheap mesh ’net devices and scatter them about town… That isn’t exactly muni, but it could fill an interested role.

kiley @kiley0

i've enjoyed watching this one youtuber build his own ISP in rural england

tony ashworth @tony.ashworth

we’ve got fiber in our area, but they don’t sell gigabit here yet :disappointed: they came through and laid all new lines last year or the year before

but until they offer the gigabit i’m not switching

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

It took ~ year from when they laid the fiber until they actually offered gigabit at our house. Don't give up hope!

Bob Elwell @robert.elwell

i got that gigabit after about two months

John Oxford @joxford

gigabit isn't bad, but I swear it was getting throttled at times

before NN officially cancelled that is

Bob Elwell @robert.elwell

they tore up my street, but it was worth it

tony ashworth @tony.ashworth

my buddy in Buford LOVES gigabit, I’m near the north end of Forsyth County and every time I see AT&T going door to door in the area I get hopeful, but so far no dice

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

I’ve got att fiber here, but I am seriously looking at the logistics of starting an isp if att/comcast become more fubar than they currently are.

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

I thought they were, but every time I tried to prove it I ended up proving the opposite. :man-shrugging:

kiley @kiley0

also, i have a friend who just started a "we bury fiber cables" business and he is overwhelmed with work, every single city town neighborhood street wants it

John Oxford @joxford

@toomuchpete throttling or something else?

lol Bruce, I'll be your first customer man

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

If you decided to bury wire you don’t need the approval of the other people right? Just city approval at that point?

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

Every time I thought they were throttling something, more rigorous testing proved otherwise.

John Oxford @joxford

ahh

I put up a VPN on an EC2 instance and I could stream much faster from Youtube than when I was not on it

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

So I just stopped bothering. I'm getting 250mpbs over wifi, so....

John Oxford @joxford

This was like specific sites

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

All you got to do is run speedtest.net and fast.com at the same time

kiley @kiley0

their "bury fiber" business gets hired by ISPs as well as like neighborhood developers and builders

John Oxford @joxford

but it doesn't always happen and hasn't really been that noticeable recently so I don't think it was intentional per se

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

fast in by netflix and it’s on their boxes they stream from so you can catch the isps throttling easy

John Oxford @joxford
Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

Throttling or you can find overloaded peering connections.

I only use fast.com because the ISPs can't QoS those up like they can speedtest.net.

John Oxford @joxford

Yeah I'm sure someone could give more details or what is really going on, but my guess is that a bunch of people in the area were all streaming YT and OpenVPN on AWS just lets you take a different less-congested route?

Pete Holiday @toomuchpete

That'd be my guess, but who knows. It's AT&T. Could be malice, too.

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ all day err day!

The only time I disconnect from it is when playing online video games for the latency

John Oxford @joxford

I tried NordVPN a while back but it was all over the place with speed

Bruce Kellerman @kotojo

pia is pretty consistent for me

The only thing I wish it had was an access point inside “The Great Chinese Firewall” for my wife to access stuff sites that are only hosted inside it.

John Oxford @joxford
Alex Conner @hello382

Just pay bandwidth

I use Speedify fairly regularly because I can connect to whatever junk bandwidth I can get hold of and it makes the best out of it

Chris Rithmyxay @crithmyxay

What a coincidence, I just started reading that article from Hackernoon yesterday afternoon.

John Oxford @joxford

Chris, This is a more complete one that I originally used if you're on windows https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/how-to-make-your-own-free-vpn-using-amazon-web-services/

Chris Rithmyxay @crithmyxay

I'm not on windows, but I'll read it anyways. Couldn't hurt!

John Oxford @joxford

It just uses PuTTY instead of a shell session for SSH

Chris Rithmyxay @crithmyxay

Yeah I looked over it real quick and that was the first thing I noticed

Ed Toro @eddroid

This was probably posted on here a month ago, but it's a good article about the story of Google Fiber in Atlanta: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/what-happened-google-fiber-atlanta/