Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

Good article by a historian familiar with the topic of crumbling Republics: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/05/21/how-republics-die

And just in case anyone is in doubt: we are 100% moving towards a Trump-led tyrannical dictatorship if we aren’t prepared to take DRASTIC measures to preserve our democracy (or what passes for it): https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27541034/donald-trump-william-barr-lock-them-up-democrats-fbi/

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

I'm too cynical to believe any drastic measures will be taken

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

So like what next, then?

If nothing is done, we’re all dead in 20 years.

At this point, the GOP has checked out. They either know something we don’t about saving themselves from Climate change, or they are simply too stupid to save themselves.

Their supporters have, almost to the last, abandoned common sense and decency for a “Troll the Libs” attitude that is, to say the least, toxic, destructive, and anathema to a continued society.

Seems like a simple step is to start deplatforming these bad actors and stop treating their deliberate propaganda as free speech.

And that’s something we have to do on a personal level, within our little communities.

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

the GOP doesn’t need to save themselves from climate change

the wealthy will not bear the effects of climate change

they’ll retreat to their gated communities and private security forces and hunker down

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

Hi, we are the farmers who grow the food rich people eat, and we’d like to know what planet you live on that you think when things get tough we won’t keep our food for ourselves before we give it to the rich, whose only trading collateral will be money, which will be useless?

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

you don’t need to trade when you control all the guns

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

Rich folks will be the first people fucked when things collapse. They are all too stupid to realize that and think money can be eaten.

Dude, the poor people are the ones with guns, not the rich lol

You think security forces are going to pick the side with nothing to give them over the side with food?

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

I mean, sure, if the military radicalizes, anything can happen

John Hunter Bowen @jhb

but who will provide the farmers cloud services

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

If society falls apart, all the Cobb County mansions will be the first things raided and burned

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

hopefully not burned — those can easily house 15-20 people :smile:

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

The military will be on its own, as was always the plan. They will hunker down in their bases and ride it out.

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

society falls apart hides a lot of specifics though

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

There’s plenty of MRE’s to survive a societal collapse, especially since the end result is an uninhabitable earth lol

The rich are going on the assumption that the next collapse will be reversible, like previous collapses have been: history tells us that what happens after Society collapses is a rather swift rebuilding by the survivors. That can’t happen if food won’t grow anymore, though.

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

the smart rich will convert their money to resources if things go to shit, they have the ability to do that....which most people would lack

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

Some of them are. I see a lot of rich folks on Prepper forums these days.

But the majority won’t.

I mean let’s be frank: the vast majority of people worth over a million dollars are complete idiots

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

money won't inherently lose its value all at once, that will take time, during that time it can be converted to things to barter with

no argument there, gotta love that inherited wealth

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

the myth of the ruling class being idiots is convenient cover for their naked self-interest

Trump, Bush, Reagan, are they idiots?

Because they all did great jobs consolidating wealth and power for the ruling class

but lol Bush talked funny and Trump uses dumb nicknames lmao

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

being smart isn't a prereq to be born into the 1%

I don't know much of the gippers' background but the other two came from wealthy prominent families

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

no, I’m not saying they’re smart, I’m saying, they’re not idiots

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

fair enough

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

The most anti-war rhetoric in mainstream media is “The Iraq War was a mistake!”

but that’s nonsense

it wasn’t a mistake, it was an intentional power move

it was a warning shot to any other countries (like Libya, or Syria) who might dare take control of their own resources

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

I’m actually saying they ARE idiots. I think their idiocy is WHY they have such naked self-interest: they’re too stupid to understand the concept of “community” and why it’s better than “going it alone”. They are too stupid to understand that NOTHING they have attained is theirs: it’s all built on the back of a greater community, something that TOTALLY PASSES THE MAJORITY OF THE RICH BY…excepting those who are actually “good” rich and spread the wealth to their employees, for example.

Like I feel like you’re saying self-interest is the disease. I say it’s the symptom.

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

symptom of what, then?

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

The disease is wanton ignorance and stupidity because of a lack of need to be smart.

They didn’t pay attention in school because why would they? They’re rich. They don’t pay attention to the world because why would they? They’re rich.

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

It’s not about intelligence, it’s about class interests

> the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

That’s where I disagree. I think intelligent people think beyond class.

I disagree with that old adage as well. I think it’s a fundamental disconnect: intelligent people come to the conclusion that society functions better as a team. The rich are inherently stupid, but their wealth allows them to hide this by providing a facade of stability veneered with “economic progress”.

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

I don't think the rich are inherently stupid, I think they're inherently greedy and mainly care about maintaining, growing, and perpetuating their wealth above all else

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

Let me make a small edit: >The rich have an inherent propensity for ignorance because their wealth is often the “problem solver” for any given thing in their life. They have no motivation to become intelligent outside of their own will.

Evan Seeds @evanseeds

Yeah, I just think power goes a lot farther than intelligence I’m afraid

Dan Nicodemo @danodemo

I think it DID. I don’t think that’s the case anymore. I think the rich - which basically have been inbreeding via class for generations - have forgotten what longevity in power means. I think they have bred the intelligence of their predecessors out in a way. Not that any of this matters, because I just stumbled on this and am now terrified of something completely different: https://www.wearethemighty.com/robots-that-eat-people

Stephen Harper @deltaedge

when video games become real life